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  WTS Google Earth Placemarks

  by RollerDave in

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  if anyone has google earth, you can actually see russel's pyramid!.

  these are links to kml files, i don't know how to link 'em so that it's guaranteed they will open in google earth, but you can easily right-click and save, the resulting files are definitely double-clickable.

  http://machinedreamer.com/jw/russel's_tomb.kml.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Cool!

  I found it. It's pretty obvious, isn't it?

  It just so happens to be a stone's throw away from that huge masonic temple.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  When is the internal Watchtower edition shipped?

  by GermanXJW in

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  iirc, the wt 1/15/08 will be the first internal-use-only edition.

  anyone knows when these will be shipped to the congregations?

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  Alligator Wisdom

  BUT, if you have read some of the BS in WT articles in the last few years you too will wonder if they realise they cannot keep printing this BS and getting away with it with the public.

  My question is how many in the public actually read the WT articles if they accept the magazine?

  Really now, how many JW actually read the WT articles when they actually have the magazines regularly all the time?

  Chances are that those in the public who may accept the magazines are showing a kind gesture to the publisher offering them. I really don't think that it's something that they are waiting hand and foot for. Sure, the general public may peruse a WT magazine while skimming and glancing and trying to look for something that might catch their interest other than just looking at the picture illustrations.

  They only ones who read the magazines with heightened interest are (1) only a handful of hardcore JWs (2) apostates who are still interested in the working of the WTS and (3) JW who are still in [like me] who are aware of the misleading of some of the teachings of the WTS.

  Bible studies who regularly receive magazines on pioneer routes probably read the magazines as thoroughly as probably 80% of all other active baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. Really, how many of you know of any Bible student who devours the information in the magazines? Right. Just as I thought. Not many. The same goes for the R&F.

  I just think this new magazine arrangement is a needed cost cutting measure.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  As A Witness Did You Believe That Jesus Was Your Mediator??

  by Lady Liberty in

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  good afternoon everyone.. happy wednesday!!.

  when you were a witness did any of you know that the society actually teaches that jesus is not your mediator unless you are one of the 144,000??

  she said to him, "that is apostate talk, where did you get that??

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  Alligator Wisdom

  From what I know, not everything the WTS teaches is 100% foolproof correct.

  Jesus is mankind's mediator to God and it is clear in the Bible. I teach it from the platform. I end my prayers at the meetings with Jesus Christ as our mediator...amen! Everyone in the hall says "amen" to that, so they all must agree regardless if the WTS says otherwise. Not a single elder/CO/DO has ever stopped me from saying so. I think because they too don't believe it. Honestly, I don't think many JWs really buy into that reasoning that Jesus is the mediator only for the annointed. Really, they don't.

  Sure, the typical R&F may somehow try to understand the reasoning of the WTS for this topic. But really, not every JW believes it. I should know. I talked with several about this.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Reason for no windows in Kingdom Halls

  by purplesofa in

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  i found this newspaper article online today........jr brown makes a comment why there are no windows in kh's.

  http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/080106/enm_4104779.shtml.

  by phillip milano, the times-union.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  Like the other posters mentioned, it depends on the location, climate and integrity of the neighborhood.

  My current KH in the main auditorium, about 20 windows. There are about 10 on each opposing wall.

  My former KH had no windows.

  My KH before that had 4 long rectangular windows located at the top of the wall. Two on each side. As the ceiling was about 15 feet above the floor with these windows just below them, you couldn't peer out of them.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Did you avoid becoming a elder in order to take care of your family?

  by flipper in

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  i was raised in the witnesses from the 1960's on and my dad was an elder who invariably was taking care of congregation problems with publishers, constantly.

  how many of us remember wives and children sitting at the back of the halls waiting for an after meeting elders meeting to finish, only to get more frustrated as an hour or so would go by?

  for those of us raised in this it was always congregation business first, family second.

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  I refused eldership twice! Never did want to get into the politics of it.

  Funny thing though, the elder body seems jealous. I don't have to do the routine mechanical dry in-step that they "have to" perform all the time. I'm free to help shepherd the sheep in my own way, give attention to the ones overlooked by the elders in the congregation, making myself approachable and available which the elders can't do because they are wrapped up with scheduling and paperwork before during and after meetings.

  You know what ticks the elders off the most. When we have guests or visitors in the congregation, they always assume that I'm the elder and that the PO or secretary isn't. These elders really don't like being overlooked or mistaken for not being elders. I'm not that old, in my 30's, in case you were wondering.

  You see, that's only one reason why I don't want to be an elder. Your hands are tied while on a power recognition trip. Doesn't sound like fun nor a privilege to me.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Name Some RIDICULOUS JW Beliefs

  by minimus in

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  i'll start with a couple.....jws believe that everything in revelation is symbolic except the number 144,000.. jws believe that donating blood is wrong.

  yet jws can accept "blood fractions" which can only be recieved if one donates blood!.

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  We are living at the extreme end of the final part of the last days.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Why did you want to be an elder?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  2. experiences

  i'm curious to know reasons for wanting to be an elder?.

  some have expressed to me they wanted to use their abilities to help others.. another said he wanted to be in the inner circle to make sure he was able to look after his families' interests in the event of any future mishaps by his children.. i think many just get caught in the web of handling microphones, then ministerial servant then elder.. i know it's easy for me to say as i wasn't any of these (apart from microphones) but .

  i can't help thinking for most men it is simply helping to fulfill a desire for more power.. many don't seem content to be viewed as a mere publisher but want to get in on the action, knowing all the gossip and being involved on decisions.. is it true that deep down, even though most may have good motives, it is still out of a feeling of self importance.. thanks .

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  Alligator Wisdom

  I refused eldership twice!

  Never did want to get into the politics of it.

  Funny thing though, the elder body seems jealous. I don't have to do the routine mechanical dry in-step that they "have to" perform all the time. I'm free to help shepherd the sheep in my own way, give attention to the ones overlooked by the elders in the congregation, making myself approachable and available which the elders can't do because they are wrapped up with scheduling and paperwork before during and after meetings.

  You know what ticks the elders off the most. When we have guests or visitors in the congregation, they always assume that I'm the elder and that the PO or secretary isn't. These elders really don't like being overlooked or mistaken for not being elders. I'm not that old, in my 30's, in case you were wondering.

  See. That's only one reason why I don't want to be an elder. Your hands are tied while on a power recognition trip. Doesn't sound like fun nor a privilege to me.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  YOU MEAN IT'S NEXT WEEKEND!!!!!!!????????

  by Warlock in

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  next weekend is my district convention.

  my wife has, in all capital letters, written "district convention" on the calender in the kitchen.. i told her i'm not going.

  look, it's too cramped, i have some physical problems that will not allow me to sit, like a grasshopper for hours and hours.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  So she says we can go for the public talk on Sunday afternoon.

  Just a heads-up for you :

  The public talk will be on Sunday morning instead. The drama will begin after the lunch break.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Assembly Hall shakedown - Columbia SC

  by sir82 in

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  from someone who attended:.

  there was a big elders meeting in columbia sc on saturday june 9.. around 240 congregations, 2000+ elders.. the society wants to build a brand new assembly hall in columbia, sc, to handle the huge influx of jws moving to the us southeast from up north.. they expect to have it done in 34 months (finished by april 2010).

  total cost estimated to be approximately $8 - 9 million.. they want to have the whole thing paid for by the time the building is done - no long term loans.. they "strongly suggested" that each of the 240 congregations commit to supporting "their share" of the expense.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  The elders in each cong. will have to make up the difference. If they pledge to do it, they will
  be expected to make up any shortcomings of their own flocks. That could be an extra $100 in
  any given month for any one elder, with several each month having to find more windows to
  wash.

  I was wondering about this.

  Do the elders have to make up any defecit on account if their congregation is unable to fulfill its resolution to finance any endeavor such as this one?

  Well then, if this is the case, MAY ALL congregations just say "yes" to these types of resolutions. Don't worry. Those taking the lead in the congregation (elders) will gladly be a pillar of support if you are unable to satisfy your obligations in terms of financing any project. Afterall, it is based on your voluntary and anonymous contribution. They'll never know who donates what.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)
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  Which JW commandment did you break first ?

  by JH in

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  i always tried to my best as a jw, to observe what the watchtower and bible told us "not to do".

  then i became inactive and lowered my guard, and didn't care as much.

  i think that my first jw sin, was playing lotto, then talking to disfellowshipped ones in my congregation, then posting on apostate forums, and then giving blood.

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  Alligator Wisdom

  A couple of Benson & Hedges menthols I stole from a pack of cigarettes that my "worldly" friend's mother had lying on her dining room table. Yes, I got a nasty head rush and almost threw up what was in my stomach. Oh yeah, since I stole them, it can be considered a double sin.

  Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)